Showing posts with label Modesty. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Modesty. Show all posts

Tuesday, May 25, 2010

Modest Swimsuit Idea

A year ago I was really frustrated with swimwear.  I couldn't find a suit that fit my body properly.  And forget about finding a modest swimsuit....it is next to impossible in our area, where there are very few places to shop for clothing in general.  If I did happen to find a modest suit, the material wore through, stretched out, or snagged right away.  I was sick of kids tugging on the neckline and embarrassing me, even when I was wearing a modest suit.


I started searching like crazy online and found several sites that sold swim dresses or modest swimwear.  However, the prices were more than I could afford.  So I put together my own modest swim outfit on a budget, spending several hours scouring the internet in search of the perfect swimsuit for me.


Here's what I came up with:

Underneath-a tank suit in my size.  Doesn't matter if the neck is a little low or the legs are high so long as it fits comfortably.  Found one on e-bay for about $2 (new) and found a great used one in my size at the thrift store for 50 cents.

Rash Guard--these shirts are UV protective and popular among surfers.  I found mine here for $20 on sale.

Board Shorts--I found lots of cute ones online at surfing supply shops or sport's stores but most were around $50 and I couldn't bring myself to pay that.  So, I opted for some swim trunks from the Walmart's men's section ($6) and I simply snipped out the mesh lining in them and they work great!



I have never felt more comfortable in my swimsuit and am so happy with my current set-up.  For around $30 I got a suit that I feel comfortable in and it should last at least a few years, even though we swim a lot.  Of course now I'll have to find a maternity option for this summer so I don't stretch out this suit!

I can't believe I just posted a picture of myself in a swimsuit on my own blog!  And to top it all off it's a bad picture where I'm blinking!

*Ali wears swim shorts (found at a Gymboree outlet for $6) over a tank suit*
*When we swim outside, I have all of my kids wear rash guards for sun protection*

Friday, June 12, 2009

The Most Common Objection

I hope you were reminded, or perhaps understood for the first time, why modesty matters in my recent series. I know I learned a lot in my research for the posts and from the thoughts that the men shared.


One of the most common objections to modesty that Christian women commonly use is:
Aren't men responsible? It's his problem!!!! He's a pervert if he can't keep his eyes off of me!" I know this because at one time I had these objections in my own mind toward modesty in my effort to understand how men think.



In digust women blow it off as crazy that we should think about modesty because after all, some guys will lust no matter what one wears and we can't live our lives trying to please everyone, right? Any talk/book/blog post/sermon on modesty is met with an attitude of "You're letting him off the hook!"

So, here's an analogy I like to think about. Analogies aren't perfect, so bear with me.

Imagine the things that first attract you to men. Think of those things that really catch your eye, your heart, your emotions because of how you are wired as a woman. What really arouses your lust or affections?


Then imagine that nearly every guy around you was doing those things. Maybe when you walk through the grocery store the cute guys you pass call you beautiful, stroke your hair, or give you a tender hug. The guys at church, including many of the church leaders/staff shower you with attention, brush their lips against your neck, buy you flowers, etc. Imagine that even when you go on a walk through the neighborhood a few guys stop and try to enter into conversation with you and take you out to dinner. When you turned on the TV to watch a movie, the actors got out of the movie and came over to offer you a lingering kiss. When you hang out with friends, their husbands wear the nicest cologne and bring you chocolates and dot on you. The fix-it man offers to do your dishes and take you dancing and when you check your e-mail, real, live, handsome muscle men pop up on the screen and start asking you to talk about your feelings. Nearly every young man you meet says he wants to rescue you and carry you off. If you were living for yourself, you would probably enjoy it and crave more and more. "Bring it on," you would say!



But if you were trying to live for God, saving your heart and body for your husband, or future husband, it would be difficult to keep your affections in check. You would constantly struggle with giving in, especially if you were still unmarried or your husband and you were at odds or he hadn't been paying much attention to you recently. Or perhaps you would start to become bitter or cynical towards those affectionate men, and start just having to avoid all the places where you would run into them and get angry at the problem. What if you approached the men in church about what they were doing or emphasized a need for men to be less expressive and they said, "Who are YOU to tell me what to do? This is a free country! I can say what I want! If you have a problem with it, you should control yourself better! All the other guys are expressive and that's all I know! That's how I grew up and that's what popular! So, bug off!"


Then imagine that a couple of guys at church, or among your friends decide to serve you. Hearing that overt attention, lavish smiles, caresses, gift gifting, etc. would cause a woman to struggle they decide to be aloof to you and all women. Friendly, but keeping their distance and never saying anything personal or inappropriate. I personally would be sooooo grateful as a woman who is seeking to live righteously by God's grace! I would feel safe hanging around guys like that! I would feel truly cherished, in a far greater way than by the fleeting physical attention of other men. I would respect those men's character. I would plead with other guys to follow their example. If I were single I would long for a husband like that, who thought more about others than himself and honored the Lord in honoring me. As a wife, I know my husband would be so thankful that my heart wasn't being enticed day and night by those men around me. My affections would be easier to keep for my husband alone.



From what I've heard from them, men face a similar amount of temptation often, if not daily. No doubt some days are harder than others, and they are responsible to guard themselves and choose not to sin when presented with the opportunity. There will always be opportunities for them to lust just as there will always be temptations for us to sin too, whether in gossip, idolizing celebrities or leaders, putting our kids first in our lives, putting our hope in financial security, envying our neighbors, etc. But how much easier can we make it for our brothers if we help them with one of their greatest temptations by covering up what doesn't need to be seen!




The fact is, women will never fully understand the extent of a guy's visual struggle and what they are going through. And different guys may have different levels of struggle. And some guys who have given themselves over to worship lust may lust over your big toe or your hands even if you had covered everything. So dressing in a Burka isn't what we are talking about here. Common sense, and following some of the tips I mentioned in my recent Modesty Monday series will go a long way.



It boils down to selfishness and obedience. Yes, many women out there are ignorant when it comes to the importance of modesty or when it comes to specifics with different outfits. But if you are reading this post, you no longer have an excuse of ignorance about the issue in general. You have been told that modesty is a way to serve your brothers. Don't believe me? Search the Scriptures, talk to your pastor, talk to the guys around you and see. It's not about a certain uniform it's about your heart. So, if you, knowing that you should be modest, continue on in your life saying, "I will wear what I want to wear! Guys are perverts! They need to quit looking!" you are choosing to be selfish. You have chosen your way above God's Word, which commands modesty, self-control, humility, and serving your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Wednesday, June 10, 2009

A Couple More Thoughts from Guys

Jesus says in the Sermon on the Mount: "...everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Mt. 5:28). Men should not look at women lustfully. Women, Christian women especially, should do everything they can to help their Christian brothers NOT sin.

Anonymous Guy, age 30.


Is it the women's responsibility? Yes, we all have a responsibility to not cause another to stumble. The Bible is clear on that. The fact is that as a pastor, I deal with ladies that struggle with lust too. The lusting that they do is not necessarily physical, it is emotional coupled with physical, coupled with care and needs being met. Seeing a guy washing windows or carrying water in for the water cooler can trigger a female to lust. So what is the guys responsibility for that situation? Likewise, for women, in the statement, "women...should do everything they can to help their Christian brothers NOT to sin..." does that mean wearing burkhas so that the lustful man cannot see anything...what about the guy who is turned on by the eyes the most? Yes, modesty has its place in all of us and it shows that there is something different about us. We should not dress like the cover girls do because they don't even look like that

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v_azJv50KQ.

So then we have to ask the question, "How should a Christian look?" Our society has distorted beauty so much that men are turned on by women in burkhas and ladies are turned on by the water delivery man. Matthew 5:28 makes us all guilty and that was the point of Christ saying that. It was true for the people of that time too. You cannot tell me that David fell after looking at Bathsheva only once. Have you ever thought that he maybe looked at her several times bathing and would go to that spot to bath often and he engaged in voyeurism on several occassions before flirting with her and then fornicating with her? The idolatry in his heart got the best of him. The point of modesty is to not be "intentional" about causing someone to be drawn to our appearance. There needs to be something else that causes people to look at our person because they see something different in our disposition.

"For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him." - Isaiah 53:2

So if Christ showed modesty in his appearace to this earth, we should to the same, but that means to not over emphasize our features, but rather to emphasize our dispositions to loving our neighbor as ourselves. So we should love our brothers and sisters in Christ enough to not cause them to give into their idolatrous minds and assist others who are chosen to see Christ in our lives...not by braided hair or fine jewelry, or mini skirts, or bikinis, or any outward showiness.
Anonymous Guy, age 35.

Monday, June 8, 2009

Modesty Monday--#24

Thoughts from the Guys:
These are opinions from Godly men. I may or may not endorse them, but I thought that they would be helpful for us to consider.

Modesty is important. It is difficult for me to respect a woman who dresses immodestly especially if they are Christian. For me it is frustrating to see those called to Christ not separate themselves from the socially wrong. Granted that viewing the clothing online and on TV one would think immodest clothing is the normal, but we are called to something higher. Yes you can do it and not necessarily be wrong, but it really comes down to how others view you. In general, those around you might think less of you. Both the saved and the unsaved can see when something is not in alignment. Modesty dove-tails the message of Christ. It demonstrates the purity and holiness God expects from all those who KNOW Him. For example, imagine what you would think if you saw Dr. Dobson drinking. Would you think any less of him? Would you question the validity of his ministry? You might not see any harm in it, but others might start to question his intentions. As a Christian, you never want to have your message be questioned, and dressing in a manner that is inappropriate brings unneeded questions to your walk. Maybe not with your friends or coworkers, but others out there might start to wonder about your example even when no questions are warranted.
Anonymous Guy, age 27
The way one dresses is a personal and cultural issue. I have spent the last few years of my life traveling to many different countries in the Americas and I can tell you from experience that each culture has different standards for what is and isn't appropriate. These standards may or may not have anything to do with modesty. This includes different perspectives within the global christian community as well. I believe there is much personal freedom in the way you express yourself through fashion within God's word, however there are also some clear guidelines that must be followed. The debate shouldn't be centered on the "blame game" or an intellectual shifting of responsibility between whether it is the man's or woman's responsibility to define modesty in the context of gender sex drives. Rather the issue is one of glorifying God. Paul writes clearly in the New Testament about not arraying yourself as a prostitute (in the cultural context). If people are seeing you as a "loose" woman because of the way you dress, you are not glorifying God. If they way you dress so matches the fashions of a sub-culture that is anti-God and others are confusing you (a daughter of God) with the world, you are not glorifying God. Dress to make yourself look beautiful and do so in a way that is personally gratifying, culturally appropriate and God honoring.
Anonymous Guy, age 24

Modesty Monday--#23

More thoughts from men:
These are opinions from Godly guys. I may or may not agree with them completely.


For me, modesty falls under the category of Transformation. I will start with a preface and then explain more later. When the Christian church was beginning to state its purposes after the reformation in the 16th century, they asked the big questions. Martin Luther, when asked what is this life all about, said it was about, "Coram Deo". A latin phrase for being always before the face of God. This is how we are to live our lives. Christ even told us to Seek First His Kingdom and righteousness. To do what is right and seek to be in the presence of God. Subsequently, we are also to live in this world (physical) but not be of this world (following the systems of the times). The Germans have a great term for the systems of this world that they call "Zeitgeist". It is translated, "spirit of the times". Niche, the atheist philosopher, even recognized that people should not be following the zeitgeist and he was looking for the "ubermansch" or Super Man. One who was in this world, but did not conform to it. Christ prayed in John 17 that even though we were in the world and we were called to Christ, that we were not to be taken from the world, but to be helped in this world. So if we are to be in this world, but not of it, how do we not do what the world does? The danger here is that we can pull away from the culture all together, leaving us totally isolated and miss the opportunities to witness to others who are in the world. We can look at the Essenes who wanted to search for the Messiah so much that they pulled themselves out of the world and hid in little caves by the dead sea...they missed Christ all together because they separated themselves from the world. Modesty, if taken to an extreme, can separate us from the world. Covering one's whole body is removing yourself from the world and puts up a separation for communication to take place. We have all seen the Muslim women in their complete coverings and it basically says, "I don't want to talk with you" (see http://preciousmodesty.blogspot.com/2007/11/islamic-clothing-dubai-abayas.html). On the other end of the spectrum, we see the nudists who do not have any modesty. This also says that they do not want to communicate with you and puts up a wall of separation. So where is the middle ground? Paul exhorts us in Romans 12 to practice the following when it comes to Coram Deo: "I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." - Romans 12:1-2

We see two words in Paul's instructions about this matter. Conform and Transform. The word "Con-form" is translated, "With Structure". In other words, following the structures of our society. Paul is saying here that the structures of this world are not what guide our thoughts, attitudes, and beliefs. It is the Word of God. The Supreme Court does not make our decisions for us on how we are to seek righteousness, it is only to govern this land. This also can go for the systems of "trends". The "trends" of this world should not tell us how we are to live, but the Word of God should direct us. Coupled with that, Paul said that we are to be transformed by the renewing of our mind. The word, “transformed” is translated, “above and over the systems”. So here is where we can talk about modesty for a moment in light of this passage. The transformation of our modesty comes when we set our virtues above that of the world's virtues. I believe that modesty is a virtue, but it is not the only one. Virtuous living follows the patterns of righteousness. Righteousness is right living. For us to be above and over the systems of the world does not mean that we alienate ourselves from the world (as a culture), but that our virtues go above and beyond that of the world's. Do we do what is right even if it means we sacrifice our time and money to do it? Do we do what is right if we give when others are hoarding? What is different about our character that others are seeing there is something different about us besides just clothing? So modesty, yes, is a virtue, but like all virtues, it must be placed on the spectrum of too much or too little. Does our modesty take us out of the world all together, or does it bring us into the world, and through our other virtues, people see Christ in the “whole package” of our being as we present our bodies as living sacrifices? What I am asking then, is modesty the only virtue that we offer the world as setting us apart or do we expose our compassion, benevolence, service, hospitality, sober-mindedness, etc. with others? Modesty should be a part of our sanctification and house the very truths of God within us to be exposed to all the world.

Smart Anonymous Guy, age 35



I don't think that dressing more modestly will solve the world's problems with lust, but I do think that it helps significantly. I struggled for years with lust issues when I was in high school. As I entered college and was battling my addiction, I appreciated women that were respectful enough to dress appropriately. This was a huge help for me, as it has been for many men. I have talked to several men since those days, that have had similar struggles, and I know modesty is something each of them can appreciate. Whether it be walking through a grocery store line, or down a busy street, a man has to always keep his guard up. All that said I also agree with Smart Anonymous Guy, that there is a balance. I am not suggesting women need to be covered from head to toe, but I think it can be pretty clear that the way "cover girls" dress is not appropriate, and does not help men keep pure thoughts. I know for my girls I will be teaching them the great importance of dressing modestly!

Anonymous Guy, age 30

Modesty Monday--#22

Thoughts from the Guys:


I asked some Godly men for their opinions. These are opinions--please understand that I may not endorse everything said here.


Here are three of their responses:


Modesty is a very important part of the Christian walk. I have two reasons for this.First and foremost, as God commands us in Proverbs, modesty must be observed. Being that God knows what is best for us, it is a must to observe his commands. Women (or men for that matter) that do not practice modesty in their dress can often fall into deeper problems, such as the opposite sex lusting after them or viewing them as a sex symbol. This in turn may provide an avenue to which the person falls into deeper sexual sin. Second, modesty must be observed because it promotes the image of Jesus. The body of a woman was created by God and is beautiful, and should be viewed that way. Women who dress poorly show that their body is really only a sex object. And that body is made for their husband--not for other men to flaunt over.

Anonymous Guy, age 22


Modesty is very important. Both for women and men. Not dressing modestly on either side can make a challenge for someone who is struggling in the area of lust. Both men and women need to dress in a modest way to help their Christian brothers and sisters in their walk with Christ. If someone is struggling with lust, then seeing someone not dressing modestly or flaunting their stuff or whatever, creates a stumbling block for that struggler. Dressing modestly is also a way of being an example and showing that we as Christians are different. When people see that you dress well but not showing everything off they may notice it and ask you whats up. This could be used as a witness tool, but at the very least you did not create a stumbling block for anyone in that way. We are called to carry ourselves better as followers as Christ and we cannot follow the crowd.

Anonymous Guy, age 18



Modesty is great, but....who gets to define what modesty is? Last time I checked, God made clothing out of animal skins for Adam and Eve. It doesn't say whether those animal skins were field mice or elephants. Modeling a Christian lifestyle is so much more than modeling your wardrobe. Are you modeling your quiet time with your kids? Are you modeling how to be a teacher for other young Christians? Are you modeling how to truly present yourself and everything that makes you, you, as a living sacrifice to God? Are you modeling true worship? The whole, "What Not to Wear, Christian Edition" is best served with being replaced by Godly leaders in our churches who model a lifestyle that glorifies God. Clothes aren't the problem.

Anonymous Guy, Age 30

I agree some with Anonymous Guy age 30's point of view. If guys are struggling with lust, modesty is not going to stop them from lusting after someone because of clothing. Lust is Idolatry and goes deeper than just clothing style. If a girl's ankles are showing a guy that struggles with lust will find a way to lust. Can modest girls never wear shorts? If guys struggle with lust and are drawn to women's legs, modest shorts are not going to stop them. Clothing does not make one struggle with lust, but the intensity of the un-modesty makes the levels of lust rise. Just beware that we can not solve everyone's issues by our dispositions.

Anonymous Guy, age 35


More thoughts from guys coming in an hour!

Modesty Monday--#21


We were created to make much of God by enjoying Him eternally.


We are most fulfilled when we are making much of God.


Dressing in respectable clothing is a way of making much of God.



Therefore, the Christian woman who dresses immodestly



ROBS


HERSELF



(Mrs. Jo)

Modesty Monday--#20


What About Modesty in Weddings?




Pastor Todd's thoughts from this great article


Ladies, please don’t forget to apply these principles of modesty to formal events and weddings. In recent years, I have become increasingly grieved by the immodest dresses of both brides and bridesmaids at the weddings that I officiate. I have observed a number of young ladies in our fellowship who have dressed modestly all their lives appearing on their wedding day in extremely provocative dresses, exposing more of themselves than on any other day of their lives.
I assume the best about what is going on in the hearts of these young women. I don’t think that they went to the wedding dress shop determined to be provocative. No doubt, they just wanted a dress that would be elegant on this day that they have dreamed of all their lives. When a bride and mother set out on their expedition to find a wedding dress, they are, quite naturally, thinking like… women! Unfortunately, there is no one in the shop who is thinking like a man! I’d like to make a radical proposal, girls. Why not take your father with you to the wedding boutique? If that thought is just too much for you (or your Dad!) at least consider taking the dress out on approval and allowing your dad to see it before you make your final purchase.



A Beautiful Site for Modest Wedding Dresses where above photo was found:

http://www.beautifullymodest.com/





Modesty Monday--#19


What would one discover about your heart if one met your closet before meeting you?
(Janelle Bradshaw quote)

Modesty Monday--#18


Modesty is propriety. It's a desire to serve others, particularly men, by not provoking, or promoting sensuality.




Immodesty is much more than wearing a low-cut top or short skirt. It's pride on display by what you wear.






Self-control is in a word, restraint. Restraint for the purpose of purity.




Are you on campaign for your own glory when you are shopping or are you looking for clothes that will bless your brothers?





Sometimes we are ignorant about how men think and we selfishly just want to wear what we want to wear with little thought of how it affects others. But sometimes we do dress to catch the eye of men. Guys lust and girls want to be lusted after.




Modesty is a way we can make much of Jesus with our lives.




We have an opportunity every day to proclaim God's glory in what we wear.




There should be no contradiction between the clothes that we wear and the Gospel we represent.



Janelle Bradshaw

Modesty Monday--#17


When considering what is modest and what isn't, here are some helpful resources:








The Modesty Survey by Alex and Brett Harris




The Modesty Heart Check specifics on how to guage your clothing's modesty in American culture





While it's very important to ask your husband or father to evaluate your wardrobe, that may not be enough. My own dad and my own husband at times have okayed things that other men might have struggled with. I like the idea of asking not only the man in your life, but also a godly woman mentor or girl friends who are committed to modesty to evaluate your wardrobe.

Modesty Monday--#16


When it comes to modesty,
what are your daughters learning from you?
(Notes from the sermon, The Soul of Modesty)

Modesty Monday--#15

A Question to ask yourself on Sundays:
Was there a man who arrived for worship today desirous of worshiping God who found himself distracted by you and your body because of the clothing you were wearing?

Modesty Monday--#14

Do you understand that there are deeper issues that need to be addressed in a woman's heart and life before worrying about her wardrobe?
Do you interact with those who are immodestly dressed?



Do you warmly show love to them?
Are you humbly distinct from the world or self-righteously distinct?
"Let this be a church populated by the uncoverted dressing immodestly and warmly welcomed into our midst. I also want this to be a church where the newly converted, the immature, and even the mature, if immodestly dressed, would be cared for and lovingly corrected."
C.J. Mahaney

Modesty Monday--#13

Image from : www.forestry.com

There is always room for growth in modesty.


Where do you need to grow?

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Perhaps you need to examine your wardrobe and have your husband/dad and your modest friends critique it. Is every single outfit you own for wearing in public modest, evidencing self-control?
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Perhaps you are proud because of your modesty. Do you need to repent of your pride/self-righteousness in the way that you dress? Do you look at others with an attitude that says, "You need this message. You need to be more modest."
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Perhaps there is a friend God wants you to lovingly speak to about modesty but you have refused to because of the fear of what she would think of you.
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(notes from the sermon I linked to in post #1)

Modesty Monday--#12


God calls His people to good works.
The way we dress is a good work.
What are you noticed for?
What are you known for?
What is most eye-catching about you?
Your clothing...
or....your character?
Do you spend more time in front of the mirror or shopping for yourself or more time serving others?
(notes from The Soul of Modesty)

Modesty Monday--#11


"When I see a young lady dressing immodestly, I see it as a
FATHER FAILURE.
Doesn't he care enough to protect her from the lustful eyes of a man who will devour her
ALL
DAY
LONG?"
C.J. Mahaney

Modesty Monday--#10

Whose attention do you desire when you get dressed?
Friends'/Peers' attention?



Photo from: http://www.josbank.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=4596&pcount=&Product_Id=206400
Mens' attention?
or
God's attention???
Your wardrobe is a statement of your public and private motivation.
What statement do your clothes make about your heart?

Modesty Monday--#9





DO YOU TAKE GOD TO THE GAP?

Is your shopping for clothing informed and governed by modesty and self-control?

(notes from the sermon The Soul of Modesty)

Modesty Monday--#7


What is the intent of your heart?
What are your motives in the way that you dress?
To show the grace and beauty of womanhood?
To call attention to yourself?
To flaunt your beauty?
To allure men sexually?
(notes taken from the sermon I linked to in post #1 today)
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